Patreon does want porn games (or NSFW content in general), they provide a sizeable income.So, what does Patreon want?
Probably wants to get rid off of every porn game they host. It's not bad to have two or three to look like they are open-minded, but it's just a trick.
When a company gets big, doesn't like to get involve with porn. The big names in this world don't like it, and that's basically why.
Patreon don't hate porn, they just don't want trouble.
That's true, the income is high and nobody would say no to that. UNTIL the company becomes big enough and starts to receive pressure.Patreon does want porn games (or NSFW content in general), they provide a sizeable income.
That's why I said the vagueness is intentional. They can maintain a position of being against such content without driving most of the creators away, into other platforms. Doing so might dislodge them from the market-leader spot eventually.Let's say Patreon wants NSFW content but as soft as possible. If they really wanted porn like mainstream producers do, they should work more in their guidelines, because as vague as they are (and open to many interpretations as I did in my post) devs can get in trouble.
I agree with you in those points.That's why I said the vagueness is intentional. They can maintain a position of being against such content without driving most of the creators away, into other platforms. Doing so might dislodge them from the market-leader spot eventually.
Being rigid and having strict guidelines would disqualify a slew of games that are on there currently.
Having strict guidelines but being flexible could potentially raise eyebrows from their partners on "why is that thing still there", which is all fairness can happen now, but is less of an issue to justify lack of pre-emptive action.
Take for example non-consensual sex. This can involve rape/hypnosis/lust-inducing pill/magical rings/magic powers/coercion/etc. Anything that can be seen as removing or lessening the subject's free will.
Taking a sweeping action against any and all of them could be grounds for removing the majority of games out there.
Spin it quite enough, and almost any game plot involves coercion.
While I do agree that vagueness can be -and is- frustrating, I'm not sold on the idea that it's only detrimental to creators.
That's for sure.I also believe that many are trying to act like patreon is out to remove all NSFW content in their site but from what I've seen they have only banned the things they said they would ban. Things such as incest, rape, etc.
I quite agree with that, but herein lies a problem which is Patreon's biggest asset -both for itself and creators themselves-. It's user base.That gives the unfair possibility that some devs are allowed to publish stuff others can't just because of how high is their income. I rather other platforms which they have clearer terms in those regards than a vague interpretation.
I haven't heard of a single game banned on Patreon because of this.Now, I'm going to write down some situations that are popping in my head that could get a game banned :
Peeking when your sister is in the shower. BANNED
Peeking when your friend is in the shower. BANNED
A relative is naked in her bed. BANNED.
I ended up in the girl's locker and I can't get out because I can be caught. Unfortunately (-,-) some chicks came in and are changing. I can see her bodies. This is a tricky one. You should get BANNED but the context makes it possible.
I open the door and my sisters/ mom/ flatmate/ landlord/ neighbor was naked. BANNED... But probably won't be banned. I mean, yes, there's no consent (you should have said... Hi, can I come in?) But unintentional things that are clearly unintentional I GUESS won't be a reason good enough to be banned.
That's the point.I haven't heard of a single game banned on Patreon because of this.
I think about 70% of games on f95zone contain such elements.
Voyeurism is, technically speaking, non-consensual, but Patreon is not focusing on fight against it.
However, this does not mean that one day it cannot change.
I think they are more focused on fight against content where there is some non-consensual physical sexual contact.
Part of patreon guidelines: "However, we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations. Patreon reserves the right to review and remove accounts that may violate this guideline.That's the point.
I can't think of a game that has been banned by following the examples I set (there are too many games to follow), but in the guidelines you can see that Patreon could make that decision whenever a problem arises.
Voyeurism is one of the main points of attraction, not only for games, but for the entire porn industry. To what degree does Patreon accept voyeurism in their games, knowing that is not consensual?
Taking the many games that has been hosted here, Patreon don't chase that kind of content. But, as you say, this can change, and Patreon already defined in their guidelines they do not allow non-consensual NSFW content, so they're really been "legal" in their own terms, and devs wouldn't be able to complain.
In a nutshell, I don't think devs are protected enough. Whenever Patreon decides that (for example) voyeurism shouldn't be allowed (for whatever reason) many devs will have to make changes in their games to fit the new directives. That can bring down many projects, as well as their income (devs need to eat! hahaha).
I know I've followed the guidelines harshly, but I just wanted to clarify how the Patreon guidelines can be interpreted and how it's not as safe for developers as it might seem.
Might I ask why one would go out of his way to try and report projects to Patreon for violating their rules? To prove a point or something?I don't understand how it works. They say it's forbidden, but when you try to point them out for violating their rules, they ignore these emails.
There is such a game: "The Company"
It has bestiality and incest and other harsh types of manifestations that were described here. But Patreon doesn't care. Even if you try to complain about this game, they will ignore it.
Probably because they are not satisfied with something? I've seen a couple of angry comments in the discussion threads of these games about how this content offends them, and that complaints sent to Patreon don't help.Might I ask why one would go out of his way to try and report projects to Patreon for violating their rules? To prove a point or something?
So instead of just going their merry way and decide to not consume content they find distasteful, they instead decide to fuck up a creator?Probably because they are not satisfied with something? I've seen a couple of angry comments in the discussion threads of these games about how this content offends them, and that complaints sent to Patreon don't help.
You can see that games with sissification content and other gay stuff are not very welcome on this site, to put it mildly.
The Company also has bestiality, have you seen many games offering such content on this site?
Don't you know there are people who like to see others suffer?So instead of just going their merry way and decide to not consume content they find distasteful, they instead decide to fuck up a creator?
In what world being offended by something arbitrary you can easily avoid makes it a legit reason?
Most people are retards, the problem is that idiots get through with crap like that in the real world. If companies don't have the balls to tell these retarded SJWs to fuck off, then thats the problem.So instead of just going their merry way and decide to not consume content they find distasteful, they instead decide to fuck up a creator?
In what world being offended by something arbitrary you can easily avoid makes it a legit reason?
Tbh, I think dislike towards a creator is what get people report them for whatever reason rather than actual content. People not getting what they want, when they want it.. Oh creator just milking it, creator is x, y and z... Where most people will just walk away from something they don't like or want to support. There is those that will go that extra stretch to create waves. The thing about that though, the more waves the more ripples and soon you could see things you do support and like get affected as well.Might I ask why one would go out of his way to try and report projects to Patreon for violating their rules? To prove a point or something?